Difference between revisions of "Talk:Installing Lazarus"

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Split this page?

Shouldn't we split this page up, at least separate installing fpc from installing Lazarus? --Bart (talk) 12:14, 22 October 2017 (CEST)

Yes, I agree, I find it quite strange that FPC does not have its own install page, if nothing else, there are people who want just FPC without Lazarus. --Dbannon (talk) 10:09, 1 July 2020 (CEST)

Agreed. Done! Trev (talk) 15:37, 1 July 2020 (CEST)

Well done mate ! That page looks a lot better now, have to wait for the category system to catch up. But the cleaner page does highlight what a lot of old, outdated and even inappropriate stuff is still there. I have on some other pages created a "Legacy" section to keep useful but outdated content, that way, a new user knows when to stop reading and the page does not appear so neglected. Maybe we need that here. I propose that this page be stripped down to just a short overview and index to other operating specific pages.

So, almost everything below the Quick Start Guide section should be either removed or moved to Legacy.

For example

Section under heading - From source on Linux, its very old, newer version exists elsewhere.
Sections about individual linux distros, maybe just a single line listing them noting most are not maintained. Personally, I'd like to actually delete them but thats the trouble with Wikis, always more comfortable making new pages than deleting old ones.
There are a couple of OS/Distro entries I suspect need be dragged up to the Quick Start Guide, Raspberry Pi ???, Haiku, BSD ?
Advice about how to install on Windows98 amd ME (wow !)
Windows on a thumb drive - my guess is that no longer works.

And a new Windows Page ? Outside my comfort zone I am afraid.

This is quite a drastic change, be nice to 'socialize' it to use an IBM term. --Dbannon (talk) 02:15, 2 July 2020 (CEST)

I re-organised the page a little more and moved some OS up to the top as you indicated. The �Quick Guides were actually pretty detailed, so I renamed them to OS specific Guides. I know very little about Linux or its distributions so didn't do anything to the Linux content except move some of the obviously old material to the Installation hints for old versions page.

As for Windows, I compile my Windows executables on macOS and haven't seriously used Windows since Win2000. Someone else will need to update that content or, better still, create a dedicated page. I left the Win98 and WinME content because there was someone in the Forums just recently still using those 16 bit systems. Trev (talk) 08:31, 2 July 2020 (CEST)

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-=== forget .rpm and .deb - use fpcup_linux_x64 instead===
+== Split this page? ==
-unless you want to waste tons of time, just go straight for fpcup and don't even consider apt-get or synaptic, which in 99% of the cases won't get you anywhere near a working Pascal IDE.
+Shouldn't we split this page up, at least separate installing fpc from installing Lazarus? --[[User:Bart|Bart]] ([[User talk:Bart|talk]]) 12:14, 22 October 2017 (CEST)
-===Why not split up this page per platform April 2013===
+Yes, I agree, I find it quite strange that FPC does not have its own install page, if nothing else, there are people who want just FPC without Lazarus. --[[User:Dbannon|Dbannon]] ([[User talk:Dbannon|talk]]) 10:09, 1 July 2020 (CEST)
-People who see this page for the first time must go crazy!
-It's much too complex, various ways of doing things etc.
-Why not split out
-- the generic/manual part of installing FPC+Lazarus (e.g. from SVN etc)
-- links to platform specific articles with the shortcut ways and tweaks
-However I'm not going to do it - I tried to streamline this page in 2011-2012 and failed as people kept adding different procedures, so I'm just putting this out there as a suggestion.
---[[User:BigChimp|BigChimp]] 07:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
-===This page is getting to be a mess again - BigChimp January 2011===
+Agreed. Done! [[User:Trev|Trev]] ([[User talk:Trev|talk]]) 15:37, 1 July 2020 (CEST)
-Seems somebody is adding info on compiling Lazarus on Windows.
-Fine by itself, but we still have the integrated stuff originally from Marcos Douglas (FPC+Laz), so we're getting redundancy and IMO confusion.
+Well done mate !  That page looks a lot better now, have to wait for the category system to catch up.  But the cleaner page does highlight what a lot of old, outdated and even inappropriate stuff is still there.  I have on some other pages created a "Legacy" section to keep useful but outdated content, that way, a new user knows when to stop reading and the page does not appear so neglected.  Maybe we need that here.  I propose that this page be stripped down to just a short overview and index to other operating specific pages.
-Might be best if somebody extracted the Lazarus part out of Marcos' section and put that into the Lazarus section.
+So, almost everything below the Quick Start Guide section should be either removed or moved to Legacy.
-Also, I'm not sure if the new Windows Lazarus source section should specify using windres and don't understand the story about using GNU make on other drives than C...
+For example
-===Posted by Claude Rieth on October 31, 2003 at 00:58:59 PST===
+* Section under heading - From source on Linux, its very old, newer version exists elsewhere.
+* Sections about individual linux distros, maybe just a single line listing them noting most are not maintained.  Personally, I'd like to actually delete them but thats the trouble with Wikis, always more comfortable making new pages than deleting old ones.
+* There are a couple of OS/Distro entries I suspect need be dragged up to the Quick Start Guide, Raspberry Pi ???, Haiku, BSD ?
+* Advice about how to install on Windows98 amd ME (wow !)
+* Windows on a thumb drive - my guess is that no longer works.
-Installing on a Debian Woody:
+And a new Windows Page ?  Outside my comfort zone I am afraid.
-As it is RPM packages I installed them using
+'''This is quite a drastic change, be nice to 'socialize' it to use an IBM term.'''   --[[User:Dbannon|Dbannon]] ([[User talk:Dbannon|talk]]) 02:15, 2 July 2020 (CEST)
-rpm -i --nodep
+::I re-organised the page a little more and moved some OS up to the top as you indicated. The �Quick Guides were actually pretty detailed, so I renamed them to OS specific Guides. I know very little about Linux or its distributions so didn't do anything to the Linux content except move some of the obviously old material to the [[Installation hints for old versions]] page.
-needed to create a directory first to get rpm running but then it went okay.
+::As for Windows, I compile my Windows executables on macOS and haven't seriously used Windows since Win2000. Someone else will need to update that content or, better still, create a dedicated page. I left the Win98 and WinME content because there was someone in the Forums just recently still using those 16 bit systems. [[User:Trev|Trev]] ([[User talk:Trev|talk]]) 08:31, 2 July 2020 (CEST)
-To be able to use the compiler, I had to manually simlink
-libX11.so  -> libX11.so.6
-libgtk.so  -> libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1
-libgdk.so  -> libgdk-1.2.so.0.9.1
-libXi.so   -> libXi.so.6.o
-libXext.so -> libXext.so
-libglib.so -> libglib-1.2.so.0.0.10
-And then it worked. Actually coding my usual NEW ENVIRONMENT PROJECT, a RPN calculator, will post it when ready.
-BTW: To the maintainer of TPanel, TCustomPanel, with the VCL, if I set the Borderwidth to 2 (ex.), the caption of the panel is moved that far away from the border (at least in Delphi 6), so it becomes more readable, this can easily be done in the LCL by adding another inflateRect(...,-BorderWidth,-BorderWidth) just before the Textout(...) that does the caption, but as I do not know yet how to add this to the offical LCL source codes, I just put it here.
-Regards,
-Claude
-===Posted by Installing on Debian on July 8, 2004 at 10:28:35 PDT===
-This is my version how I successfully installed Lazarus on Debian.
-Installing FPC:
-Download fpc-1.9.x.i386.tar (in my case x was 4) and unpack the archive. Go into the folder in which you had unpacked FPC and type (as root if needed) "./sh install.sh". Follow the instructions of the script (I simply install all packages). You have now successfully installed FPC.
-Installing gtk+:
-type as root:
-"apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev" this will install gtk+.
-then install gdk-pixbuf with the command:
-"apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf-dev"
-Installing Lazarus:
-First download lazarus-040529.tgz (or a file with a newer version number) and unpack the archive. Go to the folder with the unpacked files and enter "make clean all" (you do not need to be root). Compiling will need a good minute on a 1GHZ PC. If all works well you can start lazarus with ./lazarus.
-If you get errors at the end of the compiling, possibly you have not all needed packages installed. Try to find out how to install the missing packages and try to compile again. At my first try libgtk1.2-dev was missing, at the second try it was libgdk-pixbuf-dev, the third try successfully build Lazarus.
-Wine:
-If this was too difficult to you, you could try out the Windows version of Lazarus with wine. It works (without a Windows installation), I've wrote and started a "Hello World" program within three minutes after downloading the Windows version.
-Happy programming :-)
-Malte
-===Posted by Olivier Garet on August 17, 2004 at 01:43:21 PDT===
-Installing on debian
-In fact, it seems that the current CVS is ready for building a debian package.
-=> dowload lazarus.zip , unzip it, cd to the directory lazarus.
-Verify that the fpc-* packages are installed.
-Now
-chmod +x debian/rules
-touch fpcdebug.txt
-dpkg-buildpackage
-You should now get a package lazarus_0.9.1beta-0_i386.deb
-Verify that the package tct is NOT installed (it has a /usr/bin/lazarus file !)
-Now, dpkg -i ../lazarus_0.9.1beta-0_i386.deb should install the package.
-Hope this helps.
-===Posted by ridz on October 2, 2004 at 00:45:38 PDT===
-Installing on Slackware 10.0
-) Download the rpm version of the required binaries, eg:
-fpc-1.9.5-040808.i386.rpm
-fpcsrc-1.9.5-040808.i386.rpm
-lazarus-0.9.2.2-fpc_1.9.5_041001.i386.rpm
-) Convert the 'rpm' files to Slackware 'tgz' format using
-the rpm2tgz utility (usually installed as standard):
-rpm2tgz fpc-1.9.5-040808.i386.rpm
-rpm2tgz fpcsrc-1.9.5-040808.i386.rpm
-rpm2tgz lazarus-0.9.2.2-fpc_1.9.5_041001.i386.rpm
-) Rename the resulting 'tgz' files as follows in order
-to satisfy Slackware package manager naming convention:
-fpc-1.9.5.040808-i386.tgz
-fpcsrc-1.9.5.040808-i386.tgz
-lazarus-0.9.2.2fpc195.041001-i386.tgz
-) Install all 3 using the 'installpkg' utility.
-Enjoy! :)
-NOTE: To uninstall 'lazarus' use the removepkg utility
-(dunno why anyone would want to un-install it!)
-== Installing Free Pascal ==
-Is the section 'Fixes to 2.0.x' still relevant? --[[User:Swen|Swen]] 16:08, 10 November 2006 (CET)
-: Yes, as can be seen in the [http://www.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/fpc-fixes_2_0.log?root=logs&view=markup logs], sometimes still patches are merged from trunk to the fixes branch even if there won't be a 2.0.6. [[User:Vincent|Vincent]] 16:21, 10 November 2006 (CET)
-== Split this page? ==
-Shouldn't we split this page up, at least separate installing fpc from installing Lazarus? --[[User:Bart|Bart]] ([[User talk:Bart|talk]]) 12:14, 22 October 2017 (CEST)
-Yes, I agree, I find it quite strange that FPC does not have its own install page, if nothing else, there are people who want just FPC without Lazarus. --[[User:Dbannon|Dbannon]] ([[User talk:Dbannon|talk]]) 10:09, 1 July 2020 (CEST)

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